reddit discussion on adoption for cash/selling children
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Haha anarchists can't even apply their principles in a basic way
It's not illegal to raise someone else's children
So funny that while some people are ending abuse in the real world, the best reddit anarchists can do is chest pound about how consistent they are when applying their "principles" to fictional children in need
I love that you all waste time doing this while serious anarchists can outperform you and get true, real, tangible credit for it when the future becomes more sane.
https://sciendo.com/article/10.2478/sh-2020-0012
A Rational Theory of the Rights of Children by Ian Hersum is an interesting entry.
In my mind, there should be a distinction of concepts:
The Child as a Latent Self-Owner:
With these givens, this follows:
Children are not owned, they cannot be "bought and sold" without aggression.
Children have Guardians, the position of a Guardian is distinct
Guardianship itself can be traded or established via homesteading.
Natural Parents are the default Guardians, but must gradually give up the extent of their control until the Child becomes an adult.
Guardianship should be considered similar to maintaining a Trust in a voluntary fashion. Any type of abuse of this trust can be evaluated similarly to any other form of aggressive violence.
Child abusers can be contested directly, or via arbitration if available, similarly to how anyone witnessing a crime can choose to step in and offer help to the victim.
Examples:
Reference: HPC - Homeostatic Property Cluster https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/species/#SpecHomePropClusKind Simple example: "Something that looks like a Duck, quacks like a Duck, and has the DNA of a duck, is most likely a Duck - even if it's missing a wing." When defining Humans in this manner, the temporary inability to make decisions does not deprive anyone of their inherent right as a latent self-owner or their potential for Legal and Moral Agency.
Very nice, thanks!
At what age does the child become a latent self owner? At birth, conception, later?
let's see if this community fares any better
at best, the community there is almost entirely libertarian, the entire thread is filled with moral high ground nonsense about things being "not allowed" as if there is some kind of formal enforcement in ancapville
My claim: obviously children are not autonomous, caring for children is a topic that the NAP simply cannot cover
From that perspective, you can't regulate the sale of children, which is the same as adoption for cash, without diving deep into someone else's personal business. I don't understand why anyone would want to.
If you want some entertainment, check out the thread and laugh at the "buyers/adoptive parents need background checks" insanity. Obviously a caring parent giving a child for adoption would do that. Obviously a drugged out parent selling kids for a fix wouldn't.
What is wrong with cash adoptions so long as it is overseen by a neutral third party; i.e., a judge and is deemed in the best interest of the child?
Considering it is normal in the current world, nothing. Also, ancaps aren't about enforcing 3rd party participation.
Right, you can live in the jungle and not have any contracts, or you can choose to live in a community and set up explicit rules among property owners, or on your own property. AnCaps can very well enforce contracts. This contract can prohibit the eviction of Children, unless they can be transferred safely to another Guardian.
Someone can offer to pay to become the new Guardian, but they are still bound by the same inherent condition of Guardianship - if they abuse the Child, they will owe compensation and may have their position contested in a manner similar to contesting the abuse of an unconscious individual.
The outsider can operate on the base assumption that the victim would want protection from aggression, and engage on their behalf until they regain control.