I guess proper education on free market economics and individual liberty is the only way to prevent the herd mentality from spreading in a libertarian society
What's to stop the leaches now??? Leaches sounds more accurate than sheep. I like to think individualist ideology will lead to fractured societies that will be difficult to unite. Also, does it matter? I'd argue that the founding of the US was a big leap forward even if it has been warped.
It fell apart because people think power can be used safely. This includes the public. Obviously, crooks make things worse, but their power would be far more limited if people realized that power cannot be used for good without creating bad. The fall seems to me (with the luxury of hindsight) to be inevitable.
What is in place to prevent the sheep mind virus from spreading in the individualist system?
Socialism has always been dependent on a "loser class" for active and passive support. In the 19th century that was the "working class", but it's been gradually replaced by the "mooching classes" of the present day (welfare bums, government employees, etc). They may be the majority of the population, but they don't produce much in terms of actual competitive value - a fact that they are very unlikely to admit, which only makes them weaker.
Economic and personal freedom appeals to the "best and brightest", and they will be the foundation of new libertarian micronations that are to come. We need to create our own Internet platforms, educational and cultural institutions, etc. The socialist lies, no matter how numerous and loud, will all fall shallow when forced to compete with the truth on the basis of intellectual merit.
Socialism was able to proliferate over the past century by enslaving vast amounts of people, keeping them in ignorance, and preventing them (especially the best and brightest) from escaping. They can censor communist platforms, but they cannot censor us. Other emerging technologies will further limit their ability to "Waco" persistent peaceful secessionists who just want their freedom.
Governments will be forced to let the troublemakers go, lest ever-more of their sheep become corrupted by the desire for freedom. There's plenty of willing sheep for them to hold on to, but all the brains and capital will find a way to escape them. "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." Socialist nations will shrink and fragment, while freer ones will grow and multiply.
Without stolen money to bribe their supporters, and with increasingly limited ability to use force, the socialist mind-virus is going to have a very hard time...
There are many with "liberal"/democrat ideas fleeing their areas and moving into "conservative"/republican areas, but bringing garbage policies with them.
How would an Ancap "community" defend against invasion of garbage ideas?
Ah. I think one advantage an ancap society would have is that there would be no politics. So like this situation you're describing, democrats can elect legislators and officials who can change the culture of Texas by force in a way that's generally accepted as legitimate. Whereas in an qncap social, those channels to change things by force won't exist in a legitimate way.
The other is that most ancaps agree that in a society governed by the NAP, you would have lots of mini societies. A voluntary commune or socialist community, or religious covenant could theoretically exist without violating the NAP. In which case, there wouldn't be as much utility in forcing your culture onto other people.
If you're new to this philosophy, I'd recommend reading or listening to Tom Woods. He makes the libertarian argument very strong and accessible to everyone. It's hard to find him making weak arguments about any of this stuff.
You're begging the question "how would the presence of 'sheep' inhibit the success of voluntaryist systems?
The left-wing riots that we've just seen (including BLM, Antifa, etc) are a very expressive example. Imagine what would happen if their government checks went down to zero! And all the government-dependent "intellectuals" (college professors, politicians, lawyers, corrupt business cronies, etc) would lead them...
The only way to freedom is secession - to build voluntary new nations, focusing on quality of people rather their quantity. There should be myriads of competing start-up micronations (on land, seasteading, and eventually space-stations), each with its own membership criteria and contractual rules.
Being forced to live under socialism, with all brains and capital seceding from them, is exactly the punishment that the socialists deserve.
I don't think it'll work without enough disliking the state and looking for peaceful alternatives. Though Look at the Donald. Over the last month they've grown to dislikethe state. The state has truly been revealing itself.
Well it's truly a double edged sword. We've built the death star in the name of comfort and defense. Now the weapon is turned inward, because our government has been completely compromised to foreign interest, as its been for probably the last 100+ years.
What do you suggest? Dissolve the state? Can you speak Chinese?
I don't think it'll work without enough disliking the state and looking for peaceful alternatives. Though Look at the Donald. Over the last month they've grown to dislikethe state. The state has truly been revealing itself.
Which is why now is precisely the time to push secession!
Anarcho-Capitalism is a meta-platform for voluntary systems of governance.
We have no right to dictate to the sheep that they must abandon their collectivist Mommy Governments. If they claim to consent to it, and won't be persuaded - that is their problem. We just need to secede and create better alternatives.
We already have examples of Anarcho-Capitalism where the "horizontal size" of government is rather small (that is high freedom to leave), even if the "vertical size" of government (how much it taxes, spends, or interferes) is rather large. Take Liechtenstein or even Singapore for example: you can think of it as a large voluntary neighborhood, where you sign a contract to move there, and you are free to leave any time you want.
An Anarcho-Capitalist world is one where there are millions of nations instead of hundreds, with many new ones being started up every day. All big countries like USA, China, India, Russia, Ukraine, etc need to be broken up. I advocate #Rexit, Republican County Secession for USA - the Donald people might not like that, but that's the only way to avoid being ruled by commies. There would also be secession of Native American sovereign lands, etc. But the most interesting means of creating new nations in the 21st century is seasteading (and eventually spacesteading as well).
And so people will be free to vote with their feet. The sheep will have their sheep neighborhoods, and people who want more individual freedom will have something very different.
And what kind of a force would break up all of the nation's? What kind of a force would prevent these nation's from coming together?
The question is, what kind of force is holding the nations together in the first place?
The answer is: brainwashing and blind faith.
When a small minority starts debunking the brainwashing and faith in the government, the government is threatened. If they are non-violent and use modern information technology to get their information out (outside of the commie censorship platforms), then martyring them would make the government look bad.
It would at some point be in the politicians' short-term self-interest to let the secessionist activists go, and that would start the crack in the dam...
The answer is external threats. There is a reason why the general public was sold on the global nanny state post WW2. We now lived in the nuclear age and we couldn't afford another rise of a "Hitler".
"then martyring them would make the government look bad."
Not unless the they get the consent of the other half of the population... There is a reason why we are bring labelled domestic terrorist. We are already subhumans to most hardcore leftist. It might red pill some leftist but by then it would already be too late. Look at any country prior to and during the beginning of any communist take over.
"It would at some point be in the politicians' short-term self-interest to let the secessionist activists go, and that would start the crack in the dam..."
That's exactly why they would never allow it.
The only chance we have of surviving the commies is by taking their funding and infrastructure. 100's of trillions of $$$ in wealth.
We now lived in the nuclear age and we couldn't afford another rise of a "Hitler".
We've had the rise of a dozen communist tyrannies a lot worse than Hitler.
There is a reason why we are bring labelled domestic terrorist.
Which is why we need to advocate and show absolute non-violence.
That's exactly why they would never allow it.
They had to allow US secession from the British Empire, and the crumbling away of all other colonies. Even the Soviet Union had to break up when the faith in its benevolence was lost.
The only chance we have of surviving the commies is by taking their funding and infrastructure. 100's of trillions of $$$ in wealth.
I can only deny them the fruits of my own labor. I've been a tax resister since 2004. If even 5% of the population did what I did, socialism would be on its knees...
"We've had the rise of a dozen communist tyrannies a lot worse than Hitler."
Hence the " ".
"Which is why we need to advocate and show absolute non-violence."
If it doesn't exist, they will create it. (False flags)
"They had to allow US secession from the British Empire, and the crumbling away of all other colonies."
The only reason why they let that slide was because they got to install a Central Bank and take our money anyways. They could have easily crushed us in either war but what was the point if they could still tax our existence without destroying us.
"Even the Soviet Union had to break up when the faith in its benevolence was lost."
By that time, how many "libertarians" were forced into the gulags, robbed by the state, starved to death, or d) all of the above?
"I can only deny them the fruits of my own labor. I've been a tax resister since 2004. If even 5% of the population did what I did, socialism would be on its knees..."
one world digital currency, there is no escaping the "system"
if you live off the grid, you will probably be forced into labor.
We are on a head on head collision, and there is nowhere to hide this day in age. Secession will only be valid once the threat is eliminated.
Simple, the non-libertarians will live in an absolutist or communist system instead of our individualist system
What is in place to prevent the sheep mind virus from spreading in the individualist system?
I guess proper education on free market economics and individual liberty is the only way to prevent the herd mentality from spreading in a libertarian society
Good point.
What's to stop the leaches now??? Leaches sounds more accurate than sheep. I like to think individualist ideology will lead to fractured societies that will be difficult to unite. Also, does it matter? I'd argue that the founding of the US was a big leap forward even if it has been warped.
Agree, it was a big leap forward for individualists, but it fell apart when bankers screwed everyone.
It fell apart because people think power can be used safely. This includes the public. Obviously, crooks make things worse, but their power would be far more limited if people realized that power cannot be used for good without creating bad. The fall seems to me (with the luxury of hindsight) to be inevitable.
Socialism has always been dependent on a "loser class" for active and passive support. In the 19th century that was the "working class", but it's been gradually replaced by the "mooching classes" of the present day (welfare bums, government employees, etc). They may be the majority of the population, but they don't produce much in terms of actual competitive value - a fact that they are very unlikely to admit, which only makes them weaker.
Economic and personal freedom appeals to the "best and brightest", and they will be the foundation of new libertarian micronations that are to come. We need to create our own Internet platforms, educational and cultural institutions, etc. The socialist lies, no matter how numerous and loud, will all fall shallow when forced to compete with the truth on the basis of intellectual merit.
Socialism was able to proliferate over the past century by enslaving vast amounts of people, keeping them in ignorance, and preventing them (especially the best and brightest) from escaping. They can censor communist platforms, but they cannot censor us. Other emerging technologies will further limit their ability to "Waco" persistent peaceful secessionists who just want their freedom.
Governments will be forced to let the troublemakers go, lest ever-more of their sheep become corrupted by the desire for freedom. There's plenty of willing sheep for them to hold on to, but all the brains and capital will find a way to escape them. "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." Socialist nations will shrink and fragment, while freer ones will grow and multiply.
Without stolen money to bribe their supporters, and with increasingly limited ability to use force, the socialist mind-virus is going to have a very hard time...
You're begging the question "how would the presence of 'sheep' inhibit the success of voluntaryist systems?
A little sure.
It is still a valid thought.
For example:
There are many with "liberal"/democrat ideas fleeing their areas and moving into "conservative"/republican areas, but bringing garbage policies with them.
How would an Ancap "community" defend against invasion of garbage ideas?
Ah. I think one advantage an ancap society would have is that there would be no politics. So like this situation you're describing, democrats can elect legislators and officials who can change the culture of Texas by force in a way that's generally accepted as legitimate. Whereas in an qncap social, those channels to change things by force won't exist in a legitimate way.
The other is that most ancaps agree that in a society governed by the NAP, you would have lots of mini societies. A voluntary commune or socialist community, or religious covenant could theoretically exist without violating the NAP. In which case, there wouldn't be as much utility in forcing your culture onto other people.
If you're new to this philosophy, I'd recommend reading or listening to Tom Woods. He makes the libertarian argument very strong and accessible to everyone. It's hard to find him making weak arguments about any of this stuff.
Thanks for the reference. Will read when able.
The left-wing riots that we've just seen (including BLM, Antifa, etc) are a very expressive example. Imagine what would happen if their government checks went down to zero! And all the government-dependent "intellectuals" (college professors, politicians, lawyers, corrupt business cronies, etc) would lead them...
The only way to freedom is secession - to build voluntary new nations, focusing on quality of people rather their quantity. There should be myriads of competing start-up micronations (on land, seasteading, and eventually space-stations), each with its own membership criteria and contractual rules.
Being forced to live under socialism, with all brains and capital seceding from them, is exactly the punishment that the socialists deserve.
"membership criteria and contractual rules."
That kind of sounds like another word.
Why not become Amish?
I don't think it'll work without enough disliking the state and looking for peaceful alternatives. Though Look at the Donald. Over the last month they've grown to dislikethe state. The state has truly been revealing itself.
Well it's truly a double edged sword. We've built the death star in the name of comfort and defense. Now the weapon is turned inward, because our government has been completely compromised to foreign interest, as its been for probably the last 100+ years.
What do you suggest? Dissolve the state? Can you speak Chinese?
Which is why now is precisely the time to push secession!
https://patriots.win/search?params=rexit
https://patriots.win/search?params=secession
Are you ready to go to war?
I've been a tax resister since 2004.
Anarcho-Capitalism is a meta-platform for voluntary systems of governance.
We have no right to dictate to the sheep that they must abandon their collectivist Mommy Governments. If they claim to consent to it, and won't be persuaded - that is their problem. We just need to secede and create better alternatives.
We already have examples of Anarcho-Capitalism where the "horizontal size" of government is rather small (that is high freedom to leave), even if the "vertical size" of government (how much it taxes, spends, or interferes) is rather large. Take Liechtenstein or even Singapore for example: you can think of it as a large voluntary neighborhood, where you sign a contract to move there, and you are free to leave any time you want.
An Anarcho-Capitalist world is one where there are millions of nations instead of hundreds, with many new ones being started up every day. All big countries like USA, China, India, Russia, Ukraine, etc need to be broken up. I advocate #Rexit, Republican County Secession for USA - the Donald people might not like that, but that's the only way to avoid being ruled by commies. There would also be secession of Native American sovereign lands, etc. But the most interesting means of creating new nations in the 21st century is seasteading (and eventually spacesteading as well).
And so people will be free to vote with their feet. The sheep will have their sheep neighborhoods, and people who want more individual freedom will have something very different.
And what kind of a force would break up all of the nation's? What kind of a force would prevent these nation's from coming together?
The question is, what kind of force is holding the nations together in the first place?
The answer is: brainwashing and blind faith.
When a small minority starts debunking the brainwashing and faith in the government, the government is threatened. If they are non-violent and use modern information technology to get their information out (outside of the commie censorship platforms), then martyring them would make the government look bad.
It would at some point be in the politicians' short-term self-interest to let the secessionist activists go, and that would start the crack in the dam...
If Gandhi could do it, so can we.
"The answer is: brainwashing and blind faith."
The answer is external threats. There is a reason why the general public was sold on the global nanny state post WW2. We now lived in the nuclear age and we couldn't afford another rise of a "Hitler".
"then martyring them would make the government look bad."
Not unless the they get the consent of the other half of the population... There is a reason why we are bring labelled domestic terrorist. We are already subhumans to most hardcore leftist. It might red pill some leftist but by then it would already be too late. Look at any country prior to and during the beginning of any communist take over.
"It would at some point be in the politicians' short-term self-interest to let the secessionist activists go, and that would start the crack in the dam..."
That's exactly why they would never allow it.
The only chance we have of surviving the commies is by taking their funding and infrastructure. 100's of trillions of $$$ in wealth.
Secession can come afterwards.
We've had the rise of a dozen communist tyrannies a lot worse than Hitler.
Which is why we need to advocate and show absolute non-violence.
They had to allow US secession from the British Empire, and the crumbling away of all other colonies. Even the Soviet Union had to break up when the faith in its benevolence was lost.
I can only deny them the fruits of my own labor. I've been a tax resister since 2004. If even 5% of the population did what I did, socialism would be on its knees...
"We've had the rise of a dozen communist tyrannies a lot worse than Hitler."
Hence the " ".
"Which is why we need to advocate and show absolute non-violence."
If it doesn't exist, they will create it. (False flags)
"They had to allow US secession from the British Empire, and the crumbling away of all other colonies."
The only reason why they let that slide was because they got to install a Central Bank and take our money anyways. They could have easily crushed us in either war but what was the point if they could still tax our existence without destroying us.
"Even the Soviet Union had to break up when the faith in its benevolence was lost."
By that time, how many "libertarians" were forced into the gulags, robbed by the state, starved to death, or d) all of the above?
"I can only deny them the fruits of my own labor. I've been a tax resister since 2004. If even 5% of the population did what I did, socialism would be on its knees..."
We are on a head on head collision, and there is nowhere to hide this day in age. Secession will only be valid once the threat is eliminated.